What Does the Bible Teach about Joel Osteen (and others)?
What Does the Bible Teach about Joel Osteen (and others)?
The Prosperity Gospel.
It is also known as the health and wealth gospel and the gospel of success.
In the past, it’s also been called, “The Name it and Claim it Gospel.”
Moreover, pastors who are often included in this type of preaching include men such as Oral Roberts, Kenneth Copeland, Creflo Dollar, and Joel Osteen. Let me clearly state as I begin that I am not against these preachers or their churches.
And, I’m so thankful that people find hope, encouragement, and saving faith in Jesus Christ through anyone’s ministry!
Additionally, I know that many of you love many of these preachers and their ministries. Many of you are blessed and encouraged by their teachings and books.
For Almost a year, I listen to Joel Osteen
It’s true: for a good while, I listened to Joel Osteen each week and loved his ministry. In addition, I read one of his books.
But, as I studied, prayed, and talked to some of my very wise friends, I became concerned about some of the things I was hearing and reading.
Also, I became concerned about what I was NOT hearing from his messages.
What Does the Bible Teach about Prosperity Gospel Theology?
Today, I’d like to offer some theological reasons why I disagree with the teachings of the Prosperity Gospel.
And, I’d like to suggest a better way to respond.
Primarily, I question these teachings for these 3 reasons.
So, let me share them in the form of questions:
1) Do Joel Osteen, and others like him, tell the WHOLE truth and nothing but the truth??
From the pulpit and television ministry of the Osteens, you hear so much good stuff.
Sadly, you ONLY hear the good stuff.
And, people like all positive messages like this! I know I do.
However, none of us need to hear ONLY the positive, happy, and affirming words of the Bible. Share on X
We need the whole truth.
Truly, we need to hear both sides of the story.
In Acts 20:27, Paul reminds the elders at the church in Ephesus,
“For I did not shrink from declaring to you the whole counsel of God.”
Paul taught the whole truth and nothing but the truth.
He challenged these leaders to do the same when he said,
“Pay careful attention to yourselves and to all the flock, in which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers,
to care for the church of God, which he obtained with own blood.”
(Acts 20:28)
What Does the Bible Teach about Joel Osteen (and others)?
For me, I like to think of the ministry of Joel Osteen as a cafeteria line.
When you listen to him preach, he pulls out the wonderful “bread” and delectable “desserts” of the Bible.
Yet, if you listen closely, you will rarely hear him discuss things that sound like “leafy greens,” “vegetables,” and the “meat” of the Word.
Just as you can’t eat only bread and dessert and stay healthy – you cannot survive spiritually without healthy truth and honest principles of scripture.
* Do Joel Osteen and other Prosperity Preachers declare the whole counsel of God – the good, the hard, the challenging, and the sweet?
Just as you can’t eat only bread and dessert and stay healthy – you cannot survive spiritually without healthy truth and honest principles of scripture. Share on X
2) Do Joel Osteen, and others like him, ADD extra things to the Bible??
When you listen to Joel and others like him, they share things that just aren’t in the Bible.
Truly, they sound good, but they aren’t biblical.
For example, I’ve heard Mr. Osteen say this on numerous occasions:
“God loves you, and more than anything He wants you to be happy.”
Yes, God does love you!
He loves you.
You can find scriptural evidence to back this up throughout the Bible. Consider verses like John 3:16, Psalm 103, and 1 John 4:7-8.
However, I’ve looked, and I cannot find a single Bible verse that tells us that more than anything, God wants us to be happy.
Yes, happiness, joy, rejoicing, and similar words are mentioned in scripture. But, the concept of happiness ABOVE all else… it’s just not the central message of the Bible.
However, the concept of happiness ABOVE all else... it's just not the central message of the Bible. Share on X
The Bible teaches that God wants us to:
Be Holy – ‘For the Scriptures say, “You must be holy because I am holy.”’ (I Peter 1:16)
Get Wisdom – “Getting wisdom is the wisest thing you can do! And whatever else you do, develop good judgment.” (Proverbs 4:7)
Be Kind – “And be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God in Christ forgave you.” (Eph. 4:32)
And, be Joyful – “Be joyful in hope, patient in affliction, faithful in prayer.” (Romans 12:12)
The Bible is filled with references and teachings about joy.
But, the Bible never states that God “wants us to be happy above all else.”
Happiness is an emotion and depends on our circumstances, but joy is a fruit of the spirit. Joy is a deep and abiding sense of peace that we can regardless of our circumstances.
And, in Revelation, we are told not to add anything else to the Bible:
“I solemnly declare to everyone who hears the words of prophecy written in this book: If anyone adds anything to what is written here, God will add to that person the plagues described in this book.”
Revelation 22:18
“God wants you to be so happy!”
We want this teaching to be true. Oh, we want it to be true. But, it’s the wisdom of people; it’s not God’s wisdom.
* Does this prosperity teaching try to ADD human wisdom to the wisdom of God?
3) Do Joel Osteen, and others like him, IGNORE the laws of biblical interpretation??
In seminary, you must take a course called, “Hermeneutics: An Introduction to Biblical Interpretation.”
This course helps teachers and preachers to accurately divide the Word of God.
Some basic laws of interpretation should govern all Bible teaching. One of these laws is pretty simple – Let Scripture interpret Scripture.
Put another way, any interpretation of the Bible should be able to be backed up by the rest of the Bible.
When you pull out a verse from the Bible, you should be able to back up your teaching and interpretation in other parts of the Bible.
In other words, Scripture should be interpreted in light of other Scriptures. Share on X
In 2 Timothy 2:15, we are told to,
“Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, worker who does not need to be ashamed
and who correctly handles the word of truth.”
Key Questions about Joel Osteen (and others)?
First… Does the Prosperity Gospel teach in such a way that the principles of scripture are backed up by other scriptures?
Second… Do Joel Osteen and others rightly divide the word of truth?
Third… do they correctly handle the principles of scripture?
Some Encouragement going forward:
First… BE WISE! We are living on a challenging day!
Ask God to give you incredible wisdom. James 1:5 tells us, “If you need wisdom, ask our generous God, and he will give it to you. He will not rebuke you for asking.”
Get into the Bible.
Indeed, study it for yourself.
Keep your eyes and ears wide open. There is a lot of junk out there.
And, keep your eyes and ears wide open. There is a lot of junk out there. Share on X
Second… BE WARY! Not all preachers are worthy of your time, your attention, or respect.
Don’t take any writer, preacher, teacher, or blogger at face value (including me). Read and listen closely to every influential person in your life.
Consider the words of 1 John 4:1, “Dear friends, do not believe everyone who claims to speak by the Spirit. You must test them to see if the spirit they have comes from God. For there are many false prophets in the world.”
Read and listen closely to every influential person in your life. Share on X
Third… BE WILLING to change!
When you are listening to a sermon or reading an inspirational book, have the Bible open as well. Make sure that the two are cohesive!
If you are struggling with a particular speaker or writer, ask your pastor or a wise friend to walk through these issues with you.
Pray about these things. Ask the Lord to speak to you!
Pray about these things. Ask the Lord to speak to you! Share on X
And, if God gives you the grace to continue to listen to and support ministries like the Osteens have, great!
Go for it.
We will just agree to disagree.
May we “be as shrewd as serpents and as harmless as doves.” (Matthew 10:16)
And, may we always “speak the truth in love.” (Ephesians 4:15)
Additional Resources:
Alwaysbeready.com (Guidelines to Interpret the Bible)
TheGospelCoalition.com (What Does it Mean to Preach the Whole Counsel?)
TheBiblicalWorldview.org (Is Joel Osteen a False Prophet?)
John Piper on YouTube (Why I Abominate the Prosperity Gospel)
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122 Comments
Christine · 12/23/2023 at 9:29 AM
Thank you for writing this article about Joel Osteen and others like him and for being honest and open and accepting. If you speak the truth the truth will set you free and the truth is in God’s word. My husband for many years kept listening to Joel Osteen and I stopped he asked me one day ‘why do you not listen when he’s on tv ? I said honestly there’s no background history and he looked puzzled, so I said God’s word the Bible is not mentioned much to backup his messages and I need that for evidence to understand his messages. I went to Baptist Church for a long time and then went to non denominational but they always used the word of God in their messages. Just a week ago he says to me ‘Hiney I stopped listening to Joel Osteen and I said why he goes he’s a great storyteller but that’s about all he is to me now’ and inside I was like just like a man when I stopped talking or commenting that’s when he saw what I was talking about all these years. Thank you for confirming my sane belief you’re truly authentic and genuine in your honesty but you do with Gods love and grace and I appreciate it so much. May your ministry continue to be blessed and increase through the years and people like me continue to find you in the internet.
Jen · 06/12/2020 at 5:50 PM
Love this. Spot on! Especially resonate with your comments on happiness – I think a lot are misinformed on that!! Seems to me the gospel often teaches the opposite – persecution and hardship as a result of obedience to God. Waiting for treasures in heaven instead!!
helloredds@gmail.com · 06/20/2020 at 9:26 AM
Thank you, Jen!
So many people are misinformed.
May we serve God. Period.
He is so good, and will take care of us!
I hope you have a wonderful day.
I appreciate you stopping by to leave an encouraging word!
Blessings,
Melanie
Jim Wolstenholm · 06/04/2019 at 9:07 AM
Thanks for the great post, Melanie! As it turns out, it worked well with my post today about prayer. I wanted to let you know that I added a link to this post in that post so my subscribers could read what you had to say! Here’s the link to my post if you are interested: https://jimthefollower.com/2019/06/04/pray-in-jesus-name/
helloredds@gmail.com · 06/05/2019 at 3:14 PM
Thanks, Jim!
I got by yesterday to read and share your post.
Sure do appreciate the share!
Hope you have a blessed day~
Melanie
Jace @faithandemotions · 05/31/2019 at 10:22 AM
Thank you for encouraging us as teachers of the Word to be faithful in teaching God’s Word as it is written! May we all use discernment and test everything.
helloredds@gmail.com · 06/05/2019 at 3:01 PM
Hey Jace,
Thanks so much for your encouragement!
I do pray that we will be wise with the things of God!
Hope you have a blessed day~
Melanie
Christy · 05/15/2019 at 11:24 AM
Thank you for your thoughtful post. I know it’s been a bit and I’m just happening upon it.
My 2 cents:
If someone is a popular preacher by worldly standards – look very closely. In the case of Rob Bell – he has directly changed the scriptures to suit what he wants Christianity to be. I tell people that it’s so important to KNOW the scriptures for YOURSELF. Plain and simple. I have only been diving into the word for myself for four years and I can’t believe what the Lord has shown me. Pastors/preaching should be like a supplement. A multi vitamin is good, but it’s not a substitute for a healthy diet of fruits vegetables. Same with preaching. It should supplement what you’re already learning on your own. A little boost.
helloredds@gmail.com · 05/16/2019 at 9:35 AM
Amen, Christy!
What a great perspective!
And, I love the word picture of food, diets, and vitamins!
Thanks for stopping by to share your thoughts.
Hope you have a blessed day~
Melanie
Layne Sanders · 10/25/2017 at 5:15 PM
Joel having a new book out and somehow I found myself here. Very interesting comments. Being from Houston, things I have heard concern me greatly from Lakewood. I guess to start I will disagree with him and I believe the work of Jesus was complete with his death on the cross which is why he said “It is finished.” I could go on and on but that will not change things. Here is a point perhaps worth stating. Joel requires you to look inward and it is only natural I want to claim things that are material or happiness. To cut this short, it seems to me he moves people in a gnostic direction. I am not saying he is doing this intentionally. But the similarities of Gnosticism are there. Take care.
helloredds@gmail.com · 10/26/2017 at 10:50 AM
Thanks, Layne, for taking the time to stop by and leave your thoughts today.
It sounds like you have been thinking this through, and I appreciate your perspective.
And, I hadn’t thought of the Gnostics, but now that you mention it, there are some great comparisons to make.
I hope you and your family are doing well after the recent hurricane.
Blessings to you today,
Melanie
Rosalie · 03/04/2019 at 1:59 AM
I feel Joel is often misunderstood. He never says things will always be easy. What he DOES say, is that when they’re NOT, when things are going wrong, dont get all depressed. Take heart and remember that God has promised to WORK ALL THINGS TOGETHER FOR GOOD. ALL things. Not just the nice things but in EVERYTHING He is moving and working and turning things for ULTIMATE GOOD. What I get from Joel is encouragement to keep trusting. To know to God has our Best in mind. His purposes are GOOD. Hes our Daddy and He wants the very best for us. Sometimes that’s at the top of a mountain with a steep climb, sometimes it’ll go smoothly and fall into place. We are told in the Bible 365 times to FEAR NOT. But we’re good at getting fearful when things go wrong.
helloredds@gmail.com · 03/07/2019 at 9:42 AM
Hey Rosalie,
Thanks for sharing your thoughts about Joel.
It sounds like he has meant a great deal in your life.
Sure do appreciate you stopping by to leave a comment.
Blessings,
Melanie
Kyle Nordin · 05/28/2017 at 4:59 PM
Your spot on. At the end of our life, what Satan meant for evil, God can use for good. For His glory, to reach others thru our circumstances, storms and trials. Good will use what we’ve gone thru to point others to Him. He will use the positives and the negatives. One reply a gal mentioned the life of John the Baptist, but think of all the disciples, all persecuted for what our whose sake?? The Gospel and Jesus. It’s all about Him!!
helloredds@gmail.com · 06/04/2017 at 12:47 PM
Thank you, Kyle!
Sure do appreciate you and your affirming words!
Blessings,
Melanie
Melody · 05/11/2017 at 5:51 PM
Melanie,
I think you’re headed in the right direction. Joel Olsteen does give a good impression of Norman Vincent Peale for Christians. I enjoy the encouragement from time to time but I know how to pick up my bible when I need the whole story to get me through a difficult season. I think the take away for me on your articles is listen with discerning ears and always use the Bible and it’s message as the quality measurement. That’s what I got and I have always looked at various messages with that type of check and re check attitude.
Great website just discovered you in a google search on something about his worship leader being indefinitely on leave due to a divorce. Still don’t know what that means.?
Melody
helloredds@gmail.com · 05/12/2017 at 7:54 AM
Hey Melody,
Thanks so much for stopping by today to leave a thoughtful comment.
And, you are so right… we can appreciate all of the encouragement, but we always need to go back to the Bible.
So glad you found our site on Google. I hope you will drop in again and share your feedback.
Blessings to you today,
Melanie
Erica · 04/12/2017 at 4:25 PM
I just saw your post but I am in agreeance with you sister! Couldn’t of said it better myself. I feel the same way and my mother use to watch him all the time, then I shared with her my thought on his messages and it made sense to her and she agreed once the facts was given and now she no longers watched him. While his messages are good to hear for motivation they don’t get you saved. His messages are not leading people to salvation, the kingdom of God is at hand, that was the message that Jesus and Paul preached. We’re living in the last days, instead of people getting their houses together people need to get their hearts together.
helloredds@gmail.com · 04/13/2017 at 8:51 AM
Amen, Erica!
And, you are so right. His messages do make people feel so good, and I understand why people are drawn in.
However, I agree with you, we are living in some dark and challenging days. We need to hear all sides of the story and all facets of God’s Word – the good, the bad, and the ugly.
Sure do appreciate you stopping by to share your thoughts today.
Blessings,
Melanie
LWest · 03/29/2017 at 1:01 PM
It was only a short time ago when a coworker told me she doesn’t attend a church but does watch “Joel” every Sunday morning. I reacted with a chuckle and I told her I really don’t care for his preaching style. She asked me why and I told her that he is way too positive for me. She was somewhat shocked at my answer and stated “That’s why I like him!!” I told her this is not reality. The Bible says we will have disappointments and our faith will be tested. There are countless examples of loss and deep sadness in the Word. Jesus never taught prosperity as the world sees it. He taught us to look toward a eternal home. I so agree with you! When Jesus returns, that will “be my day”. Joel always says Today may be your day! I am betting on a sure thing. not maybe today!!
helloredds@gmail.com · 03/29/2017 at 4:59 PM
Thank you for sharing your thoughts today. It’s great to hear from you.
Sounds like you have had some interesting conversations at work. And, you are so right, there are going to always be great days and not so great days. To teach people that life is all sunshine and rainbows is disingenuous.
I’m with you – I’m looking forward to that eternal home!
Hope you’ll stop by again soon.
Blessings,
Melanie
Felicia · 03/29/2017 at 3:31 AM
I as a mature Believer in Christ appreciate your thoughts on JO. What bothers me about this post or any post that tears another Christian down is that it is public and destroys the view that the world has on Christians, which is already at an all time low. I pray and hope that my brothers and sisters would show love to one another so that the unsaved world will know whose we are.
helloredds@gmail.com · 03/29/2017 at 4:53 PM
Thank you, Felicia, for sharing your thoughts and for stopping by today.
I appreciate your concerns, and I will prayerfully consider what you have shared.
Blessings to you,
Melanie
Brian · 03/16/2017 at 10:20 PM
Ecclesiastes 3
12 I know that there is nothing better for people than to be happy and to do good while they live. 13 That each of them may eat and drink, and find satisfaction in all their toil—this is the gift of God.
Brian · 03/16/2017 at 10:08 PM
The bible does reference God wanting us happy;
Ecclesiastes 3 ;
12 I know that there is nothing better for people than to be happy and to do good while they live. 13 That each of them may eat and drink, and find satisfaction in all their toil—this is the gift of God.
I did enjoy your article. Thankyou
helloredds@gmail.com · 03/22/2017 at 11:10 AM
Hey Brian,
Thanks for stopping by and leaving these comments. I appreciate your feedback and your visit.
And, I do think I may need to go back and tweak my article. Some translations do use the word “happy.” I could be more clear with what I’m trying to share.
Hope you have a blessed day~
Melanie
J York · 03/15/2017 at 3:18 PM
Ah…….Christians. It’s displays like this that show the world all they need to know about ministries led by people. I believe there’s a scripture somewhere that says something along the lines of, “My people will be known by their love for one another.” Guess I have the wrong glasses on because I’m not seeing it here. Interestingly enough, I came across part 1 earlier this week and today I stumbled across part 2 with little or no effort. Sadly, those of you who should be lifting up Jesus choose rather to tear down one of your own. To those of us on the outside of your cathedrals we have to question why we would ever visit an establishment that downs someone on their own team? If you can do that to one of your own we wonder what you’d say about us? I read somewhere that Mr Osteen’s church is the largest in America, it would seem to an outsider that God’s approval must be upon it. If he is able to reach that many people and provide that much hope who are you to tear him down? To the “churched folk”, “churchy” sentiments like “I pray for him” or “I hope that God would awaken him to his potential” are sure signs that you’re okay and in good standing with your actions and words, but for those of us looking in, throwing shade is throwing shade and there’s no right in it. Let God do his job being the judge and you do yours which should be “whatsoever things.” After the first teardown of Mr. Osteen and the adverse effect that it had on many, I’m surprised that you had the brass to come back at him for a second round. Trust me, I don’t mean for my words to be harsh but you too should awaken to your potential and true influence and I pray that God will reveal that to you. You are on the world stage with your words and “the saints” are not your only audience, you are also making an impression on those of us who are so close to stepping foot in the church and then we see print such as this and figure what’s the point. Remember, preaching happy, positive messages is okay, they don’t call it the “good news” for nothing. As for me, I guess I’ll take my joy or happiness or whatever you want to call it and head to the woods to camp and commune with Christ in the safety of his creation.
Lidiya · 03/07/2017 at 2:02 AM
I really liked the way how you differentiated Joy and Happiness.
Theme of the article is something to ponder upon.
helloredds@gmail.com · 03/07/2017 at 5:28 PM
Thanks, Lidiya!
I’m so glad you stopped by to leave a good word.
Hope you have a wonderful day today~
Blessings,
Melanie
Jessica · 03/02/2017 at 9:57 AM
2 Timothy 4:3-5 “For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; and turn aside to fables.
But you be watchful in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, fulfill your ministry.”
What do we do with these scriptures? They are repeatedly woven throughout the Word.
I do believe there is a godly way to warn when compelled and led while seasoning with grace (as you have Mel).
It’s never easy, nor comfortable to speak on such topics. But the love of God and His costly truth will compel Christ-followers to uphold the “Whole counsel”.
The whole counsel is needed for whole and holy living.
A different gospel (Galatians 1:6), may sound good, feel good and look good – but feelings don’t define truth.
I heard once, “A half truth is whole lie.”
And a different gospel is a “Form of godliness but denying its power.” 2 Timothy 3:5
(V7) “Always learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.”
I share this comment with love and yet a burden for those under a “different gospel”.
With Grace
helloredds@gmail.com · 03/07/2017 at 5:07 PM
Hey Jessica,
Thank you for taking the time to share your thoughts today.
I appreciate you and your visit. And, I also greatly appreciate your wisdom from the Word!
You bless me and encourage me with your words~
Melanie
C · 02/24/2017 at 4:53 PM
Hello dear,
I would agree you when I would think like the world but we as gods children’s shouldn’t think like how people who doesn’t know Jesus.
It would be like ” it’s impossible to rose again from death ”
Worldly people can think like that because they don’t know him but I m sure we know God not only because we read the Bible but also because we have experienced him.
It doesn’t matter if happy or another word is exactly written in the Bible or if happy and other words are rewrited in other words and sentences. Do you want to tell me Moses and Noah and David weren’t happy while they walked with god? Do you want to tell me when god gives you this and this and when he’ll help you and give you strength , you would not get happy ?
It’s not the word what is written in the Bibel but the voice from god which we hear during we read the Bible and seek god. I m pretty sure that paul, the Apostels and other had lot more to tell about god and I m sure there are more letters from that time which isn’t in the Bible. God knows why. for god nothing is impossible , it’s written in the Bible. And every one who believes in him , will use this Vers to their own situation. It’s not our job to judge and criticize others especially when they are telling the people about god because they aren’t putting them selfs as heroes and superstars , they are putting Jesus as a superstar. Lecrae once said
If I’m wrong about god then I wasted my life. If you’re wrong about God then you wasted your eternity.
So i believe that when We do something , god leads us or Satan does. And I m hundred person sure Satan would not lead people to the way to preach others with adding something to the Bible. Rather he would lead them to tell bad things about god and like this. God is our teacher. So god teaches preacher what to preach. God gives them strength because with own strength you can’t tell 100000000 people about god.
( I m sorry for my english and hope you have understand everything )
Jennifer · 02/20/2017 at 10:01 PM
Dont let people scare you. I was a new ager, and can say Olsteen is pure new age, by the things he says-money, wealth, all the things the bible warned us about. This post is perfect, well written, spot on! People only want encouragement all the time and the christian life is very serious.
helloredds@gmail.com · 02/23/2017 at 11:38 AM
Thanks, Jennifer.
I really appreciate you stopping by today to leave a comment.
Thank you for your encouraging feedback.
Blessings to you,
Melanie
Amy H. · 01/19/2017 at 6:40 PM
Thank you thank you for this very thoughtful and wise explanation. I had a bit of a falling out with a family member who follows Joel. I cautioned about his teaching much in the same way you did initially and was met with a great deal of hate and retaliation.
helloredds@gmail.com · 01/23/2017 at 1:06 PM
Hey Amy,
Thank you for stopping by to leave an encouraging word today! Sure do appreciate your visit.
And, these issues can be tough – especially in family situations. Sometimes, the best thing we can do is speak the truth in love and then pray. We can’t make people change their perspectives on theological issues. Only the Holy Spirit and the Bible can do that!
I love the verse in Philippians 3 that talks about differences in thinking: “All of us, then, who are mature should take such a view of things. And if on some point you think differently, that too God will make clear to you. Only let us live up to what we have already attained.”
Praying that we will be wise in all of these types of conversations.
Blessings to you,
Melanie
Margaret · 12/17/2016 at 2:56 PM
As a carpenter missionary living in South Texas, I see Mr. Osteen has a huge influence here. I have learned the same as you, I do not want anyone giving me just the “good” and not the “bad.” Without the bad, there would be no need for my repenting of sins. I am thankful someone thought enough of me to tell me the whole truth.
helloredds@gmail.com · 12/19/2016 at 9:14 AM
Hey Margaret,
Thank you for taking the time to respond to my post. I really appreciate you and your comments.
And, it sounds like you get to really see the impact of this ministry. I do believe many, many people follow Mr. Osteen, and his messages can be very misleading.
I pray that God will bless you and encourage as you share the love of Christ with others in South Texas. Thank you for serving the Lord as you are!
Merry Christmas to you and your family~
Melanie
Robbin · 12/13/2016 at 11:21 AM
I would like to say that “sharing what’s good and right in life” is nice . . . but it isn’t salvation. There are lots of motivational speakers out there that can make you feel good. Joel Osteen is a motivational speaker and he’s a good one. And he sprinkles just enough “God” into the mix that I believe he has deceived millions into thinking that what he preaches is from God. I can tell you it is not. Paul preached Jesus. Peter preached Jesus. Their lives were not easy. They were persecuted. Joel Osteen preaches “Feel Good 101” And it does feel good. But its not the truth. The truth is that Jesus Christ died on a cross for my sins. He said to take up our cross and follow Him. He promised we would have troubles. He said to cast our cares on Him. He never promised He would take the cares away . . . He promised He would carry them for us. If the followers of Joel want to pick and choose a few verses to prove their point, go ahead. But when read as a whole, there is no doubt that following Jesus is hard. And that is not what Joel Osteen preaches. He has an opportunity unmatched by most preachers to share the Gospel with millions and explain to them the path to Jesus. And he squanders it with loud music and a feel good sermon. I’m sure the people walking out of his service feel good. I’ve walked out of a ballgame where my team won, or walked out of a concert where the music was good, and felt inspired. But feeling good and being happy and feeling inspired has NOTHING to do with my salvation. Jesus never told people what they wanted to hear. He spoke the truth in love. And that is what you are doing Melanie. I’m proud of you sister. Don’t ever apologize. Bless you dear lady!!!
helloredds@gmail.com · 12/13/2016 at 5:34 PM
Hey Robbin,
Thanks so much for taking the time to comment on this post.
I really appreciate you and your affirming words!
I like the way you have phrased this kind of preaching, “Feel Good 101.” So true!
It’s great to connect with you, and I look forward to reaching some of your posts.
I’m grateful for your encouragement~
Melanie
Jennifer · 02/20/2017 at 9:56 PM
Amen!
Brenda · 02/21/2017 at 10:18 PM
AMEN! My thoughts exactly! If what Mr. Osteen preaches were absolute biblical truth, we would all be living the life–like he is–wouldn’t we?
2 Timothy 4:1-5 is a great scripture (emp. on vs. 3) In fact the whole book of 2 Timothy addresses this exact issue.
When scripture becomes a buffet it is then that it becomes dangerous.
Gerri · 12/06/2016 at 12:41 AM
I love listening to Osteen. Any person who can inspire millions by sharing his interpretation of the teachings of the bible, in my view is sharing what’s good and right in life. Remember that is all anyone is doing when they read and quote the bible..they are interpreting what they think and feel based on their own perspective….the same way you are sharing your opinion here…it is not fact…just an opinion…and you provided an opportunity here for people to share their opinion and interpretation of this entire topic….again no one person is right…it is just what works for that person…for myself…I enjoy how I feel during and after listening to Osteen but I also listen to other teachers too…I send you many blessings…thank you
helloredds@gmail.com · 12/06/2016 at 11:32 AM
Hey Gerri,
Thanks for stopping by today to leave your thoughts.
I do appreciate your visit and I value your opinion.
I hope you will visit again in the future.
Blessings,
Melanie
Rene · 09/25/2016 at 1:09 PM
Sometimes I want brain candy and when I do, I will watch Joel Osteen, someone who can sound like all your dreams will come true if you believe it will. I was watching him today and my thought is he sometimes acts like God is Santa Claus, if you pray “bold enough.” You ask him and you get what you ask for. Of course there were times I didn’t get what I wanted from Santa either, LOL. I would like to have a nicer home in a safer neighborhood, but I am thankful for my four walls. I would like to have a husband, but I’ve been single so long, maybe I’m too set in my ways. I’ve really enjoyed reading your blog this afternoon and it makes me happy to realize others feel the same way.
helloredds@gmail.com · 09/27/2016 at 2:49 PM
Hey Rene,
Thanks so much for stopping by to leave a good word.
I really appreciate you and your visit!
Your words are kind and thoughtful.
Your comments make me think of the words of missionary Elizabeth Elliot, “God has promised to meet every need. If we don’t have it now, we don’t need it now.”
Praying that He will provide what we need when we need it!
Blessings to you, and I hope you’ll stop by again~
Melanei
LISA · 09/12/2016 at 6:55 PM
Thank you for saying the TRUTH!
helloredds@gmail.com · 09/13/2016 at 10:30 AM
Thank you, Lisa!
Appreciate your visit and your affirming words today.
Blessings to you,
Melanie
Caryl McAdoo · 09/05/2016 at 9:23 AM
Hello, Melony. A sister at Heart”wings” shared your post about Promises when you’re in the Dark Valley. I clicked over and found myself here. I’ve heard others say off-handedly they didn’t listen to Joel and have wondered why. I do have one of his books, too. Thank you for this thought provoking post that answered a question long un-asked 🙂 Blessings!
helloredds@gmail.com · 09/05/2016 at 9:38 AM
Hey Caryl,
I”m so glad you came over for a visit! Thank you! It’s good to connect with you.
And, I guess people have avoided talking about Joel and pastors like him because it’s kind of awkward.
I’m not against him, but I do want to encourage all pastors to speak the truth.
I hope you have a blessed day and stop by again~
Blessings,
Melanie
Women Linking Arms · 08/31/2016 at 12:08 PM
I agree with you completely. I briefly listened to Joel Osteen, however I quickly discovered, through the wise guidance of my husband and another trusted sister in Christ, that what he was preaching wasn’t in line with God’s word. I held up his teaching to scripture and stopped listening to him altogether. I once told my aunt that I was following a certain preacher (another who is falsely leading God’s children away from Him). My aunt wisely told my that she follows Jesus. Period. Enough said. That has stuck with me all these years.
helloredds@gmail.com · 09/01/2016 at 6:57 PM
Thank you for stopping by to leave a thoughtful comment.
I really appreciate your visit.
And, it sounds like your aunt is a very wise woman – follow Jesus period! Love that advice!
Blessings to you,
Melanie
EK · 08/31/2016 at 12:08 AM
From the perspective of my group of friends who are not believers, Joel Osteen is a lot of what is wrong with Christianity today (or how it’s portrayed). Someone one here mentioned John the Baptist. We are to live in sacrifice when needed, giving one coat to someone in need if we have 2. The “pray for material and God will bless you” is what makes so many of my friends shirk away from today’s Christians.
I try to think about the teachers I listen to with the perspective- if I was sitting in a room with that pastor, and Jesus walked in and sat down, what would he think? I think Jesus- a man who spent more time with sinners and poor people than in tidy rich neighborhoods, would think Joel Osteen has missed the mark.
helloredds@gmail.com · 09/01/2016 at 6:51 PM
Thank you for taking the time to respond today, Erin. I really appreciate you and your visit.
And, I think you are so right, the “name it, claim it” gospel makes our lost friends so confused. They are watching and listening, aren’t they!
It’s great to connect with you. I hope you will drop by again~
Blessings,
Melanie
Anna Smit · 08/22/2016 at 8:51 AM
Dear Melanie,
I have never heard of Olsteen, perhaps because I’m a kiwi living in the Netherlands, but I do feel compelled to respond to your comment about happiness. Until recently I felt the same as you. I reasoned that joy and happiness are not one and the same and like you believed it was unbiblical to preach that God wants us to be happy. But God has been opening my eyes in amazing ways to the happiness He is holding out to me on a daily basis that my theology/Pharisee thinking has prohibited me from receiving.
I nursed my Mum through the ravages of brain cancer until she took her last breath, and thereafter traveled through the valley of caregiver PTSD. Through this experience of excruciating pain, sorrow and fear, God opened my heart to receive Him into the depths of my heart, to let Him tether me to the promises of His Word. If it was not for His Word, I doubt I’d be alive today. One thing this taught me though is to question all I have ever believed and to above all seek God’s Truth in His Word.
The thing I remember most about this time is that IN the suffering happiness poured into me. I chose to call it joy, separating it from “happy” circumstances. And so when I was healed of PTSD, I found myself waiting for the next hard thing, so I could feel that joy, rather than opening my eyes to the gifts in everyday “happy” circumstances. But as God is opening my eyes to thankfulness, He is also opening it to happiness. My happiness is not circumstance-dependent: because God’s good gifts are right there in both the hard and the easy. I realized how I’ve been clenching my fingers tight BECAUSE I was holding onto theology, rather than letting my Heavenly Father embrace me with His daily gifts.
CS Lewis knew terrible suffering, yet He too believed that the power of the Gospel is the Good and happy News it pours out into our hearts.
BTW here’s a definition of the Greek word for “Blessed” from Matthew 5
Strong’s Exhaustive Concordance
blessed, happy.
A prolonged form of the poetical makar (meaning the same); supremely blest; by extension, fortunate, well off — blessed, happy(X -ier).
Anna Smit · 08/22/2016 at 9:05 AM
Philippians 4: 4
4 Rejoice in the Lord always; again I will say, rejoice.
HELPS Word-studies
5463 xaírō (from the root xar-, “favorably disposed, leaning towards” and cognate with 5485 /xáris, “grace”) – properly, to delight in God’s grace (“rejoice”) – literally, to experience God’s grace (favor), be conscious (glad) for His grace.
5463 /xaírō (“glad for grace”) has a direct “etymological connection with xaris (grace)” (DNTT, 2, 356). S. Zodhiates (Dict, 1467) likewise comments that 5479 /xará (“joy”) and 5485 /xáris (“grace”) are cognate with 5463 /xaírō (“to rejoice”), i.e. all share the same root and therefore the same core (fundamental) meaning.
[The etymological link between 5463 /xaírō (“rejoice”), 5479 /xará (“joy”) and 5485 /xáris (“grace”) – i.e. that they are all cognates – is brought out by LS (p 1,976), Zod (Dict), CBL, Wigram’s Englishman’s Greek Concordance (Ed. Ralph Winters), Word Study Greek-English NT (Tyndale, Ed. Paul McReynolds); see also DNTT (2,356) and TDNT (9; 359,60).
TDNT likewise groups them as cognates, referring to 5479 (xará) as the noun-form (nomen actionis) and discussing them separately in terms of their distinctive connotations.]
Anna Smit · 08/22/2016 at 10:18 AM
And one last thing: exactly when God started convicting my heart my unbelieving husband responded to my question as to what he would change in me if he could and guess what he said: “I’d like to know that you’re happy. I never know whether you are.” Ouch: and he was right- I was not exuding the happy Good News. Then he watched a Dutch sprinter just miss out on a Bronze medal: a Christian..rejoicing despite defeat and my husband said: if this is what God gives him then I want some of that. My husband follows this sprinter and told me: “He’s always happy! When things are good and bad.” Can I say that of myself? My theology of joy was robbing me of this…terrible, but true.
helloredds@gmail.com · 08/23/2016 at 2:22 PM
Hey Anna,
Thanks so much for taking the time to share your thoughts and your story today. I appreciate you and hearing a bit about your life.
Your points are well-made, and I believe I hear what you are saying about the words and their meanings. And, what a great testimony of how the Lord has worked in your husband’s life. That is awesome! Wonderful news!
My reason for writing this particular post is not to condemn happiness. I love happy! I am a very happy person, and I enjoy a very happy life. However, happiness is not my ultimate goal in life. Jesus is my ultimate goal.
Your words have made me think that there may be a need for another post on this topic. I’m pondering that one.
Thanks again for stopping by and sharing your heart. I hope you will visit again.
Blessings,
Melanie
Anna Smit · 08/25/2016 at 3:03 AM
Dear Melanie,
Thanks for your kind response. I have been so blessed by many of your posts (I’m subscribed), especially your ones on prayer. I definitely don’t intend it as a judgment of you. I can see God working powerfully in and through you.
Maybe this would help you understand my concern. Joni says it better than I ever could:
Well, you’ve probably heard this: Happiness is an emotion that depends upon what “happens,” right? And joy, on the other hand, they say stems from deep within our souls – joy is not affected by circumstances around us. Have you heard that? Well hi, I’m Joni Eareckson Tada and I suppose it’s an appropriate distinction. But joy and happiness being “different?” I don’t think God had any such hair-splitting distinctions in mind.
Because scripture (and you can check it out for yourself), God’s Word uses the terms interchangeably, right along with words like delight, gladness, blessed and blissful. When you read the Bible, there doesn’t seem to be a scale of relative spiritual values applied to happiness and joy. The Bible doesn’t seem to make those distinctions. Happiness is not relegated to flesh-minded sinners nor is joy only the emotion of heaven-bound saints. Just listen to how Psalm 68:3 puts it. It says, “May the righteous be glad and rejoice before God; may they be happy and joyful.” Wow! Right there in the span of one verse, you’ve got four different words: gladness, rejoicing, happiness, and joyful. And God is the giver of each and every one of those emotions – He does not want us to try to label it; He just wants us to know it’s from Him. Wow!
Gladness, happiness, and the fruit of the Spirit called joy… these words are synonymous in their effect and too difficult to distinguish when we experience either one, right? I mean, would you, for example, respond to the wedding of your daughter with joy or happiness? Are you happy that your friend came to know Christ or are you joyful? Is the moment of euphoric delight in worship of Him on Sunday morning just a happenstance or is it heaven-sent? Friend, I wouldn’t make a big deal about splitting the differences – whenever you have a reason to smile, you can bet God is behind it, and He’s the giver of every good gift and every good emotion, from gladness to glee, from joyful to jubilant, from happiness to hallelujahs!
You know, to try and rob joy of its twin, that is happiness, is to deprive our soul of God’s feast. So I think it’s wise to seek both as part and parcel in all circumstances. When your soul is stirred by a deep contentment, be happy. But when a delightful moment strikes that is quite outside yourself, then be joyful.
And remember, when you can be joyful and glad in the midst of hardship, well, I tell you what, that makes those emotions even more heavenly and God-glorifying. I’m thinking of my friend, Renee Bondi, who, like me, is a quadriplegic. She is one of the most, hands down happiest people I know and she’s always so quick with a ready smile. I mean when you spend time with that lady and witness her joy in her wheelchair, you can tell God is behind it. And I want you to see this for yourself. Today, you just have to go to joniandfriendsradio.org and click on a video we did on her life – just spending a few minutes with Renee in her wheelchair; it will convince you that whether happy or joyful, this girl’s got it. And God is getting the glory. Click on joniandfriendsradio.org and you just might find yourself smiling and singing right along with her. And if you feel so led, drop a line to her on our “Contact Us” tab and we’ll pass it along to Renee – she’ll be delighted to know that your heart was made glad by her story. Again, that’s joniandfriendsradio.org.
helloredds@gmail.com · 08/27/2016 at 11:40 AM
Hey Anna,
Thanks for sharing these words from Joni.
She is a wonderful writer and speaker.
I do love her testimony!
I appreciate you passing this along to me.
Hope you have a wonderful weekend~
Blessings,
Melanie
Cassie · 08/13/2016 at 4:08 PM
I have only listened to him a few times and I have said the very same things you have said in part one and rwo. There is more to the gospel than what he preaches. It is like only reading the cliff notes of a book and not the entire book!!
helloredds@gmail.com · 08/15/2016 at 9:24 AM
Hey Cassie,
Thanks for stopping by today and leaving a good word.
I love your analogy – cliff notes only!
Glad to connect with you. Please stop by again soon~
Blessings,
Melanie
hallwayinitiative · 08/10/2016 at 5:09 PM
Again, so well-spoken! Thank you for being so gracious to this man despite the fact that you disagree with him. The points you make are so valid. It’s also worth noting that the Prosperity Gospel can give a false sense of security – if God is blessing us with material wealth, we could easily assume that we’re doing well in our faith. And yet, I’m sure we all know very wealthy people who are spiritually destitute (and materially destitute people who are very mature in their faith, such as John the Baptist whom AJ pointed out in an earlier comment). Thank you for your grace and sincerity and willingness to speak the truth even when it isn’t what everyone wants to hear!
helloredds@gmail.com · 08/10/2016 at 6:03 PM
Thank you, sweet friend!
And, what a great point – false security in answered prayer. You are so right. If we start thinking that material wealth = God is happy with us, we could get into real trouble. What wisdom!
You’ve blessed me with your thoughtful and wise words today~
mysideof50 · 08/09/2016 at 8:16 PM
Before I studied the Bible, I would take the word of preachers and of those in authority at face value. There is not one preacher, no matter how trained or godly that gets it all right. And we all have the same amount of the Holy Spirit in us to guide us in our study. Yes, listen and learn. But be wise and study the Word for yourself. You make excellent points here.
Kristina Wyatt · 08/09/2016 at 3:08 AM
I do not think it’s appropriate to write this blog. Who are you to judge someone else’s servent? Joel’s teachings got me through some of the darkest days of my life. His joy bringing and encouragement anointing are apparent. Why spend your time on this. Find someone who’s not leading people to Jesus to question. Have a good day.
helloredds@gmail.com · 08/10/2016 at 5:53 PM
Hey Kristina,
Thank you for taking the time to stop by and leave a thoughtful word today.
And, I’m so glad that God has used Joel and his teachings to encourage you during a difficult season. He is a great encourager, and I know that his ministry has blessed many people.
My concern is with his theology. You can read more about the specifics in this post: http://www.melanieredd.com/day-quit-listening-joel-osteen-part-2/
I hope you have a good day as well.
Blessings,
Melanie
Tammy Renee (@BeautyLadyTam) · 07/08/2016 at 8:45 AM
God created us with a full spectrum of emotions, happy, sad, mad, glad, etc.. It’s the devil’s job to try and make us unhappy. Recently my husband has become unhappy with his job. Yes, I pray for God’s will to be done, but I also pray for my husband to be happy in his job or to be able to find a job where he will be happy. I can’t believe that’s the wrong way to pray. I have the happiest, most precious granddaughter. This little girl exudes happiness! 🙂 I pray that she will always be this happy! There’s no way that’s wrong. Above all else I pray that all my loved ones will receive salvation and that they will be what God created them to be. I will continue to pray for everyone to be happy, including you Sister. BTW, I read part 1 before I left my first comment. I thought to myself, if a person who wasn’t saved read these posts (part 1 especially), it may push them the other way.
Tammy Renee (@BeautyLadyTam) · 07/07/2016 at 8:04 AM
Why wouldn’t a loving father want us to be happy? I’m being sincere, can you tell me? I understand when we’re doing wrong that God wants us to know that we’re wrong and we need to repent and sin no more, but why oh why does God not want us to be happy? It makes NO sense to me, I doubt it ever will. I used to work with retired nuns and a sister who I dearly loved said the exact words to me that you are saying caused you to stop listening to J.O. “I think God wants us to be happy” A woman who dedicated her life to God, gave up all earthly possessions … you get the picture, said those very words to me. Was she incorrect? As a parent one of the most important things for me to see in my children is happiness. It’s not the single most important thing, but it’s right up there at the top with breathing! And to be joyful is a whole lot like being happy. If you’re happy and you know it clap your hands!! <–I think I learned that song in Sunday school? I'm not even a huge Joel Osteen fan… I am however a fan of being happy! If God doesn't want us to be happy, does he want us to be unhappy? Again I am very sincere.
helloredds@gmail.com · 07/08/2016 at 7:55 AM
Hey Tammy,
Thank you so much for taking the time to stop by and leave your thoughtful and sincere comments today. I am so glad that you did.
You raise a great point and ask a question that many people have asked me since I wrote these posts on Joel Osteen. There is a Part One that you can read by linking here – http://www.melanieredd.com/day-quit-listening-joel-osteen/
My simple answer to your question, “Does God want us to be unhappy?” is “no.” I don’t believe God wants us to live unhappy, miserable lives.
However, I do think our society has become obsessed with happiness. We seek pleasure, fun, laughter, and ease above all else.
I think your questions are valid and your perspective is much like so many others I’ve talked to. In fact, your points are so prevalent that I am praying over writing a blog post to answer your question – “Doesn’t God want us to happy?” (I’ll tag you or email you when I do.)
Thank you for sharing your heart today. You’ve caused me to really want to dive into this topic more!
Blessings to you,
Melanie
Jesus first loved us · 06/21/2016 at 10:31 AM
Thank you so much for this post. I too, listened to Joel, but it did not blend with what the Spirit inside me said was true. Yes, great words that make you feel good, but, I want meat.
helloredds@gmail.com · 06/23/2016 at 5:22 PM
Thank you for stopping by to leave a good word today!
I’m grateful for your visit and for your kind remarks!
And, I’m with you… I want the meat!
Brenda · 06/16/2016 at 3:46 AM
Loved your article. Thanks for sharing the truth!
helloredds@gmail.com · 06/16/2016 at 4:33 PM
Thank you, Brenda!
I appreciate you stopping by to leave a kind word today!
Blessings~
Melanie
Casey @ Wiping Tears · 06/10/2016 at 11:49 PM
Just read both of these posts. I think that if Christians would adopt the attitude of the Bereans then they wouldn’t be misled so easy.
helloredds@gmail.com · 06/12/2016 at 3:18 PM
Thanks for stopping by, Casey, and sharing your thoughts.
I don’t know much about the Bereans. I’d love to hear more.
Blessings~
Melanie
Debbi Coberly · 06/01/2016 at 8:29 AM
Hi, thank you for your posts – I read Part 1 a few weeks ago, and just saw your part 2 post. I certainly know how you feel – I felt the same way! Actually, in the beginning I wouldn’t even listen to him… he rarely quoted scripture, and seemed to be all about positive thinking. However, what I found was, as I listened on occasion, I became challenged by what I heard, and God prompted me to rethink my position on Joel’s teaching. When I truly listened, I heard over and over the truth – that we WILL have troubles in this life, and that being a Christian does not remove that, but gives us the power to be “happy” through it all. Which is actually JOY – but I have come to realize that Joel’s sermon ministry is created for ALL – to bring ALL to Christ, so using a word like JOY doesn’t ring with most people… the masses equate happy with joy.
From your posts it sounds like your only source of “feeding” from God’s word was Joel Osteen – but based on your other posts I don’t think that would be true – you seem to have great understanding of God’s word. And I agree – if someone is only hearing Joel’s sermons and not searching for themselves, or seeking deeper understanding through Bible Study, sunday school, small groups, etc, that person will stay on milk forever – and I believe that is truth no matter what preacher you listen to. If we wait to be spoon fed truth on Sunday mornings only, we will remain babies in Christ.
I encourage you to relisten to a sermon or two, and ask God to open your ears to His truth – I believe you will hear Joel sharing the hard reality of life, but the truth that we are victors in Christ Jesus, and are called to LIVE as such. And much of that comes through our attitude and spoken word – as God has clearly shared with us in his word. GREAT book you might find enlightening is Hung By the Tounge, by Francis P. Martin https://www.amazon.com/Hung-Tongue-Francis-P-Martin-ebook/dp/B002PAQB2E?ie=UTF8&btkr=1&redirect=true&ref_=dp-kindle-redirect
God bless you, and thank you for sharing your heart and logic with us!
Debbi
helloredds@gmail.com · 06/03/2016 at 6:41 PM
Hey Debbi,
Thank you so much for stopping by and leaving such thoughtful comments today. I really appreciate your appeal for me to listen to Joel again. I think I hear what you are saying. Thank you for your comments and for the book suggestion.
And, please do stop by again for a visit. It’s always sweet to connect with other believers – even if we don’t agree on all things.
Blessings to you,
Melanie
Efe · 06/11/2016 at 8:24 AM
Hi Melanie, thanks for the post, just wanted to add my input,
Everyone that receives Jesus Christ as their lord, do not start out knowing all, they start out with milk before they can eat meat (the whole scripture). I believe that when we earnestly search for the lord, he start revealing more and more of himself to us, we all start out on different levels and keep growing. I do not personally watch the Osteen because I have grown much more in my personal walk with God, but then the Osteen ministry can inspire people, keep them growing and eventually the would seek deeper. It is better than them watching other secular things like mtv, etc that do not bring glory to God . And yes overall I believe God utimately wants us to be happy, joyful however you put it, people interpret it anyway they want to, this is just an English term. you cannot start trying to explain to others that English is not their first language that joy and happiness are different. Also I believe God wants to be healed, His words says by his strips we are healed, I take that very literally because I have been healed. It is how you apply your faith. coming from a different country, I have seen many believed in Jesus and we’re healed of their disease, sickness, even the dead raised to life. I believe when you are in a country that has many opportunities, you might not be willing to work out your faith as strongly as others that do not have an option and it is a matter of life and dead. Remember Paraphrased God said in your weakness I am made strong, when you surrender all to God, he can work his mighty works. Overall, we all come to God on different levels, with the utimate of growing deeper and knowing who God is and being a vessel of honor. Thanks again for the post.
Efe · 06/11/2016 at 9:19 AM
Sorry about spelling out your name as Melanie instead of Debbie.
helloredds@gmail.com · 06/12/2016 at 3:21 PM
You were right on my name. It is Melanie!
Thank you.
God bless you~
helloredds@gmail.com · 06/12/2016 at 3:21 PM
Hey Efe,
Thank you for stopping by to leave a thoughtful comment today.
I really appreciate your insights, ideas, and your visit.
And, you are so right… we all do come to God on different levels and at such different places. Surrender is so key.
I pray that God will encourage you today.
Blessings,
Melanie
Cheryl · 05/30/2016 at 9:31 AM
Melanie, ALL I can say is thank you so much for speaking, not your truth, but Father God’s Truth. I have tried LITERALLY to listen at Osteen, and I can’t do it. Sometimes I have felt as if I was the only one that felt this way, then I met a few others who feel the same way. I was under heavy conviction from Father God when ever I listen at him. I strive every single day to live a life pleasing to Jesus. Thank you so much. I pray that God’s Holy Light will forever shine in you and on you in Jesus name.
helloredds@gmail.com · 05/31/2016 at 12:56 PM
Hey Cheryl,
I’m so glad you stopped by today to leave a comment. I appreciate your thoughtful feedback!
It sounds like you’ve had an interesting experience with Joel’s ministry. That’s wild that you couldn’t listen to him.
I think I just liked his stories and wanted to hear the positive words. I do understand why people are drawn to ministries like his, and I pray that many will have their hearts, eyes, and ears opened to the truth.
Please come by for a visit again.
It’s great to connect with you~
Blessings,
Melanie
Valerie · 05/30/2016 at 12:10 AM
Melanie this is such a great post! I’m so glad you shared it because it speaks truth! AND I LOVE your new blog design and logo. Go Design Duo! Love them and love you!
helloredds@gmail.com · 05/31/2016 at 12:53 PM
Thank you, Valerie!
You bless me!
And, I love that Design Duo, don’t you!
They are amazing, and so are you~
Lynn Garrott · 05/28/2016 at 11:38 PM
Thank you for this post on Joel Osteen and his prosperity gospel. Can you imagine what people in Haiti and areas of Africa would think if they heard that “gospel?” If it won’t preach everywhere to every person, it’s not the gospel. Thank you for sharing your scripturally based yet humbly presented thoughts on the subject.
helloredds@gmail.com · 05/31/2016 at 12:53 PM
Thank you, Lynn!
It’s great to hear from you! I’m so glad you stopped by today!
And, I cannot imagine what some people in other parts of the world would think of our churches and our “gospel” messages! They might think we were crazy!
You have encouraged me with your kind words! I hope you will visit again!
Blessings,
Melanie
saradwrites · 05/27/2016 at 11:40 AM
Saw this post recommended by someone on FB and I’ve yet to read part 1.
I’m probably in the minority of your readers (first time here), but I do believe God wants us to be happy. It may be JOY as you put it but just because the word “happy” is not used in the translation you use doesn’t mean it isn’t so. I mean, why wouldn’t God want you happy? Sure it is an emotion, but it is an emotion that he gave you, don’t you agree?
No, life won’t always be happy (and I understand where you are coming from with regards to prosperity gospel teachings), but can you tell me why God wouldn’t want you to be happy?
Yes, teachers who present themselves as representatives of God do have to be cautious of how they lead (as all leaders should), but the responsibility of checking up on what is being taught to you is YOUR responsibility.
The Holy Spirit will guide you in all things. John 16:13 Take you for example, you sought after God and your friends because something wasn’t sitting right with you. You made your decision based on the knowledge you received.
Do you recall that Paul became all things to all people? 1 Corinthians 9:19-23.
I am wary of all teachings and do not put myself under any one person, to do so would be unwise. I don’t even listen to Joel but I know many people who do. He is popular for a reason. People are hurting and they are looking for happiness or a solution to their problem, Joel seems to be meeting that need. Now, it is up to the people to go deeper, don’t you think?
helloredds@gmail.com · 05/31/2016 at 12:50 PM
Hey Sara,
I’m so glad you stopped by to leave a thoughtful comment today. I really appreciate you and your visit.
And, I think I hear what you are saying about “happy” and “joyful” being synonymous. As much as I’d like to agree with you, I’ll have to respectfully disagree.
When the Bible talks about “Joy,” it’s referring a state of the mind, will, and emotions. Joy is like a thermostat in our homes. It can set the tone and the temperature for everything else. Happiness, on the other hand, is an emotion that depends upon circumstances and happenstances. It’s more like a thermometer – taking the temperature of a body.
Also, I think we have to be careful not to take on the world’s philosophies when it comes to happiness. The world values being happy above everything else. I don’t think God wants us to be miserable. However, I believe the Bible clearly teaches that God is much more interested in our holiness than in our happiness. In 1 Peter 1:15, we are told, “But now you must be holy in everything you do, just as God who chose you is holy.”
In Luke 9:23, Jesus is teaching… “Then he said to the crowd, “If any of you wants to be my follower, you must turn from your selfish ways, take up your cross daily, and follow me.” To serve God is to deny self and seek to follow unselfishly after our Savior.”
This is hard stuff! And, it’s certainly not the way that the world is pushing us!
You sound like a very wise woman. I hope you will stop in again for a visit.
Blessings to you,
Melanie
Georgina Barboutis · 10/11/2017 at 2:57 PM
Amen sister. I was thinking exactly the same thing and was asking God for the words and then I came across your post. Bless you.
helloredds@gmail.com · 10/11/2017 at 4:06 PM
Thank you, Georgina!
Appreciate your visit and your kind words.
Hope you have a wonderful day today~
Melanie
Dawn H · 05/25/2016 at 9:19 PM
Thank you! This is an excellent post (I agree with you)! I just found your blog because of Dawn Klinge- Above the Waves on Facebook. Thanks again, Dawn
helloredds@gmail.com · 05/26/2016 at 2:33 PM
Hey Dawn,
Any friend of Dawn Klinge’s is a friend of mine! She is awesome.
It’s good to meet you, and I’m so glad you stopped by.
Thank you for your kind words!
Please come by and visit again soon!
Blessings to you,
Melanie
Shannon · 05/25/2016 at 7:58 PM
I completely echo what Alison said and I’m also agreeing in prayer with her! And what a great post with amazing insight and honest conviction, Melanie. These are the exact reasons why I never listen to Joel for actual spiritual food. “Everything isn’t always rosy and happy Joel!!” is what I tend to yell at the TV screen when I’m scrolling through the channels! LOL.
helloredds@gmail.com · 05/26/2016 at 2:32 PM
Thanks, Shannon!
I certainly appreciate you and your encouragement today!
I can hear you yelling at that TV! Go Girl!
Blessed by you and thankful to be your friend~
Melanie
kerisnyder2014 · 05/25/2016 at 7:57 PM
Yes yes yes! Love this! The “God wants me to be happy” saying gets so many onto long paths of struggle.
helloredds@gmail.com · 05/26/2016 at 2:31 PM
Thanks, Keri!
I appreciate you, your kind words, and your affirmation today!
Sometimes, I do wish, “Don’t worry; be happy” was in the Bible!
Blessings to you~
Melanie
Michelle · 05/25/2016 at 7:04 PM
Always good to get filled by you Melanie. The Olsteen certainly bring people to question that’s for sure.
helloredds@gmail.com · 05/26/2016 at 2:30 PM
Thank you, Michelle!
Sure am blessed by you and your ministry~
Alison Tiemeyer (@lifeofscoop) · 05/25/2016 at 6:28 PM
Melanie, thanks for being brave & writing with conviction about this! So many need to read your words, because we need to pointed to the true source of all life and hope – Jesus.
I think about the God-fearing people in Scripture & most of them did not live “happy” lives according the world’s standards. They suffered much, but their hope did not waver. They found the sweetest happiness in serving the Lord with glad & bold hearts.
I pray that as men & women come to your blog to read this post, their eyes will be opened to the only Source of hope. I also pray that they will be encouraged to open the Word for themselves – “demolishing strongholds and everything that sets itself up against the knowledge of God & taking every thought captive to make it obedient to Christ.” (2 Cor. 10:5)
Thanks again, sweet friend! I am with you on this! 🙂
helloredds@gmail.com · 05/26/2016 at 2:29 PM
Thank you, Alison.
I appreciate your affirmation and support. I do also pray that this article might open some heart, eyes, and minds. God’s Word is so able to do that! Praying that it will.
I’m so grateful you are my friend!
Blessings,
Melanie
Michelle Peden Vasquez · 05/25/2016 at 1:47 PM
Great post! I agree with you whole-heartedly. It’s so important that we read God’s Word for ourselves and that we filter any message we hear through His Word. Many good Bible leaders will tell you to do this! When I read God’s Word, I don’t believe we were promised an easy road, health, happiness, and prosperity, if we follow Christ. So, when I hear someone who only preaches the good stuff, and tells people that we can have all of these wonderful things, then I get very skeptical, because I don’t believe that lines up with Scripture.
Lately I’ve been seeing a particular person on TV that I used to like, but now he’s selling all of these books and DVDs claiming that Jesus wants you to be healed. And if you just buy all of his products, you too can be healed. They even interviewed people praising the products and telling how they were healed. But, my Scripture tells me that Christ suffered, and that in this world we will have tribulation. Paul even had some sort of thorn that may have been a physical ailment, and the Lord did not remove it. So, I don’t believe that God’s Word tells me that I get to live a perfectly healthy life here on earth. I mean, I’ll always pray that for myself and my family, but I don’t believe it’s guaranteed.
helloredds@gmail.com · 05/25/2016 at 5:10 PM
Hey Michelle,
Thank you for your visit and your wise remarks today!
I wish (sometimes) that we were promised that easy road, but I cannot find that road in the Bible. Some skepticism is necessary, isn’t it!
And, you are so right. Paul and almost every other great hero of the faith went through tough and challenging seasons in life.
In fact, Paul wrote about this to Timothy in 2 Tim. 3:10-12, “But you, Timothy, certainly know what I teach, and how I live, and what my purpose in life is. You know my faith, my patience, my love, and my endurance. 11 You know how much persecution and suffering I have endured. You know all about how I was persecuted in Antioch, Iconium, and Lystra—but the Lord rescued me from all of it. 12 Yes, and everyone who wants to live a godly life in Christ Jesus will suffer persecution.”
You sound like a very wise woman! I pray that God will bless, encourage, and strengthen you and your family~
Melanie
Sallyann · 05/25/2016 at 12:29 PM
Thank you for this clear, bible based assessment of Osteens ministry. You made my doubts about his ministry very very clear. It’s a feel good, health and wealth ministry that so many people are reaching for today. They reject the truth of a God who is just; and God will judge between right and wrong. Thank you for posting the truth, regardless of the consequence.
helloredds@gmail.com · 05/25/2016 at 5:04 PM
Thank you, Sallyann.
I appreciate you stopping by to leave a thoughtful comment today.
I do pray that many will read and be encouraged to ask the hard questions.
You’ve blessed me with your words of affirmation~
Karoline Seymour · 03/09/2017 at 1:50 PM
I am a bit disappointed. While I do not watch the Osteens anymore..there are some people who are getting much blessing from their ministry. To name a preacher, point fingers and run with it in the name of my Lord is wrong. Why not pray for them and move on. Did you ever talk to them in private? And? I have been a God fearing, bible taught born again since my teens and this here is not right. We are to hold our fellow christians accountable yes but to make public display of this in a blog..is not right. Why not spend time to teach and stay away from things you do not consider of God or as a positive influence on your life. I am saddened by the amount of energy you spend on this! And look for affirmations of those who agree with you?
Galatians 5:22-23 ESV
But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control…
Karoline Seymour · 03/09/2017 at 2:19 PM
I need to add a thought. Your article stated that you could not find one verse about God wants us to be happy? Really? I totally disagree! I believe God does too. He is our Father and what father or dad would not want his child happy? I was left speechless by your statement. The reason you can not find one verse on this is because you are looking in the wrong places. Being happy is a choice! If I know and serve my Lord..this makes me happy thus my Dad in heaven is happy too! Being saved makes ME happy! Breathing makes me happy. Living makes me happy. I make ME happy. And..http://m.likesuccess.com/quotes/29/1447309.png
Like one would say…if you are looking for something to disqualify something..you will find it. So sad…open the right door. Happy=God…I found Him!
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feeling or showing pleasure or contentment.
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helloredds@gmail.com · 03/13/2017 at 8:58 AM
Hey Karoline,
It seems you are taking issue with several of my points. I appreciate your point of view.
And, I’m not against being happy. My point is simple that happiness and joy are NOT the same thing. Happiness depends on our happenstances, our circumstances. Joy depends completely on Jesus. Happiness is like a thermometer. Joy is like a thermostat.
While I think being happy is a great thing, it is too dependent on external circumstances. Joy, however, is something we can experience no matter what is going on around us.
For more on this topic, you might want to read this post: https://melanieredd.com/does-god-really-want-us-to-be-happy-above-all-else/
Hope you have a blessed day~
Melanie
helloredds@gmail.com · 03/13/2017 at 8:54 AM
Hey Karoline,
Thank you for taking the time to share your thoughts today. I appreciate what you have shared.
And, I have prayed for the Osteens and their ministry. My prayer is that they will use their incredible influence to teach with wisdom the whole counsel of scripture.
My desire in sharing these two articles is to speak the truth in love.
Blessings to you,
Melanie
Linda Mathias · 03/14/2017 at 6:30 AM
Karoline’s comments are EXACTLY what I think also. Remember the verse about those without sin casting the first stone. Well you certain are being very righteous in your blog and totally against the behavior that Jesus demands of us. Yes, our opinions are very different. But you won’t see my blog about “Why I continue to watch Joel Olsteen”. Just as Karoline, I pray for those who need to follow Jesus just as he asked in the Bible. I refrain from writing anything negative about you because the Bible does say we are not to do or say anything that makes another look bad. I will pray for you to return to Jesus as he asked of us and stop this blog. Scripture for you – Ephesians 4:29, Ecclesiastes 7:21-22, James 1:26
Deanna · 03/29/2017 at 7:46 AM
Amen, I totally agree! I would be afraid to say anything against a man of God. He is God’s Anointed. I feel very upset everytime I see your blog. If you don’t agree,that is one thing, but to put it out there trying to discourage others to listen to him is very sad. What are you spreading to those who are reading your post? Do your words share Love by talking about a man of God?
helloredds@gmail.com · 03/29/2017 at 4:56 PM
Thank you, Deanna, for taking the time to read my post and share your thoughts.
I appreciate hearing what you have to say.
The reason I share this post is to offer a different perspective on the Prosperity Gospel and the Osteen’s ministry. Those who read have the chance to consider whether or not they should listen to preachers like this.
I don’t feel that my words are unloving or unkind. My prayer is that I speak the truth in love, and this is what I have sought to do.
Blessings,
Melanie
Tiffany H. · 07/08/2017 at 2:46 PM
Amen, Melanie!
Your words WERE, in both posts and every reply, very loving and kind. You DID speak the truth in love and I am impressed. I am not afraid, probably too harshly, to call Osteen what he is – a false prophet leading many astray. It frustrates and scares me the reach that he has and the false truths he spreads, which will ultimately lead many to turn their backs on God when He doesn’t ‘decide’ that their earthly happiness is #1 priority, like Joel and his wife’s supposedly are. It says in Scripture that it’s better to have a millstone tied around your neck and be thrown into the sea than to lead others astray. (Matthew 18:6, Luke 17:1-2).
Jeremiah 23:16-18
This is what the Lord Almighty says: “Do not listen to what the prophets are prophesying to you; they fill you with false hopes.
They speak visions from their own minds, not from the mouth of the Lord. They keep saying to those who despise me, ‘The Lord says: You will have peace.’ And to all who follow the stubbornness of their hearts they say, ‘No harm will come to you.’
But which of them has stood in the council of the Lord to see or to hear his word? Who has listened and heard his word?
Matthew 24:24
For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect.
2 Timothy 4:2-5
Preach the word; be prepared in season and out of season; correct, rebuke and encourage—with great patience and careful instruction.
For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.
They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.
But you, keep your head in all situations, endure hardship, do the work of an evangelist, discharge all the duties of your ministry.
“Correct, rebuke, encourage”. “Keep your head in all situations”. It is ABSOLUTELY our position to discern a false prophet and to try to reach those being pulled astray. We have not just God’s blessing, but His command to rebuke – carefully and with love. Melanie, I’m impressed and blessed and encouraged with how well you’ve done all the above – first in your posts and second with the backlash you’ve gotten.
God bless you and your boldness and your ministry!
helloredds@gmail.com · 07/09/2017 at 6:50 AM
Thank you, Tiffany!
Sure do appreciate you and your encouraging words today!
You have blessed me, sister!
Hope you have a wonderful day today~
Melanie
Randy Redd · 05/25/2016 at 9:15 AM
Thanks for the post! These are great resources that help bring clarity to what is most important and why it is important!
helloredds@gmail.com · 05/25/2016 at 5:01 PM
Thank you!
Sure am blessed by you!
Arabah Joy · 05/25/2016 at 7:54 AM
This week I was thinking about John the Baptist and how his life ended. It certainly wasn’t living healthy, happy , and wealthy. His final days were lived out in a dungeon, with him soul questioning if Christ was really the Messiah. What internal turmoil and anguish of soul he experience … and his life ended with his head on a platter.
Jesus never promised us a trouble free life and every thing our hearts desire. He did promise that all who live godly in Christ Jesus will suffer persecution and that those who want to follow Him must deny themselves and take up their cross daily.
Each of us has a responsibility to study the word of God. We can’t take someone else’s word for it, we must hear God ourselves through the pages of His word, (by the way, we shouldn’t dip and skip but read the entire book!) How sad that so many people will spend hours listening to someone else telling them about God but won’t spend 10 minutes a day reading God’s word and hearing from God themselves. No wonder we have gotten so far off in our understanding of God and the Bible.
Thanks for this post, I appreciate you sharing your journey and encouraging us to ask some honest questions.
helloredds@gmail.com · 05/25/2016 at 5:01 PM
Hey AJ,
What fun to have you stop by for a visit today!
You bless me with your thoughtful comments. And, you are so right… we were never promised that everything would go just as we wish it would go. I do hope this article will encourage readers to spend more time digging into God’s Word for themselves! That would be amazing.
And, thank you for your kind words of affirmation.
You bless me~
Melanie
Felicia · 07/10/2017 at 8:42 PM
I aggree with you %100! And with The Olesteens is also JOESPH PRINCE, JOYCE MYERS..ETC. I loved these ministries until I saw their sermons broken down in slow motion and only then was I able to see for myself, and as shocked as I was, whoever posted that video on utube REALLY opened my eyes,ears and heart to what was really being said and the sinister way these so called preachers are very uniquely manipulating and twisting Gods word into their own agenda, and you don’t even realize it until somebody else shows the conflict in hat they are preaching and what Gods Word actually says…it blew my mind! And I had to agree because what the utube video said showed and backed it up with the actual scriptures in Gods Word..I didn’t want to believe it either, it broke my heart, I hated what I was hearing and seeing! But I’d rather get upset n deal with the truth then to be misled and love the lie..
Deborah · 08/24/2017 at 9:24 AM
I do agree with you! We went to his church for 6 years! Mainly for the Worship, it is amazing like the Brooklyn Tabernacle Choir! Our youngest son did not want to go to class because it was over 150 and he didn’t connect, children need to have other Christian peers! He preached the same message over and over!
I like to think of Phillipines 1:18,….that Christ be preached!
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